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SwePeso
Patron Saint of Lost Yaks

Sweden
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Posted - 04/17/2007 :  13:16:50  Show Profile  Visit SwePeso's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Show him this topic
http://www.sqlteam.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=70832


Peter Larsson
Helsingborg, Sweden
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Michael Valentine Jones
Yak DBA Kernel (pronounced Colonel)

USA
7020 Posts

Posted - 04/17/2007 :  15:33:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mcrowley

I canna change the laws of SQL, Jim!

http://www.dbforums.com/showthread.php?t=1617308


What's an "anacedent"? I never saw that word before. I don't think any of the online dictionaries have either.

http://www.dbforums.com/showthread.php?t=1617308
"
>>Originally Posted by blindman
>>Oops. Somebody should have done some research first, eh?

At the risk of overstepping my bounds: don't be an anacedent.
Regards,
hmscott"





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tkizer
Almighty SQL Goddess

USA
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Posted - 04/17/2007 :  15:36:36  Show Profile  Visit tkizer's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I think it's a reference to another user (anacedent) at dbforums.

Tara Kizer
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mcrowley
Aged Yak Warrior

771 Posts

Posted - 04/17/2007 :  15:45:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Anacedent is somewhat famous to those who look through the Oracle forum over there. He is very good with Oracle, but has very little patience for anyone who does not do their own research for simple questions. He also does not mince words about it. For a time, his signature was
quote:

Are you a vacuum, or a black hole in the universe of clue?


Another favorite quote is "Ready, Fire, Aim!", whenever someone has jumped to a bad conclusion.
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pootle_flump
Flowing Fount of Yak Knowledge

United Kingdom
1064 Posts

Posted - 04/18/2007 :  06:56:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mcrowley

Anacedent is somewhat famous to those who look through the Oracle forum over there. He is very good with Oracle, but has very little patience for anyone who does not do their own research for simple questions. He also does not mince words about it. For a time, his signature was
quote:

Are you a vacuum, or a black hole in the universe of clue?


Another favorite quote is "Ready, Fire, Aim!", whenever someone has jumped to a bad conclusion.


I thought this one would turn into the unstoppable force meets the immovable object but sadly blindman was being the polite guest - it just petered out into some techy conversation about high water marks and transaction committing or something.
http://www.dbforums.com/showthread.php?t=1616921
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SwePeso
Patron Saint of Lost Yaks

Sweden
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Posted - 04/18/2007 :  10:36:58  Show Profile  Visit SwePeso's Homepage  Reply with Quote
http://www.sqlteam.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=82293

The records are gone and the backup is corrupt. Please restore the records for me anyway.


Peter Larsson
Helsingborg, Sweden
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X002548
Not Just a Number

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Posted - 04/18/2007 :  15:15:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yeah, I saw that one...and if they are doing full backups, then I believe lumigent would be no help



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Michael Valentine Jones
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USA
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Posted - 04/18/2007 :  16:56:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by pootle_flump
...it just petered out into some techy conversation about high water marks and transaction committing or something.
http://www.dbforums.com/showthread.php?t=1616921



I thought that was the best part, because of the discussion that seemed to say that Oracle really makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot like this and that's why it's so much better than SQL Server.





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pootle_flump
Flowing Fount of Yak Knowledge

United Kingdom
1064 Posts

Posted - 04/18/2007 :  17:12:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Michael Valentine Jones

quote:
Originally posted by pootle_flump
...it just petered out into some techy conversation about high water marks and transaction committing or something.
http://www.dbforums.com/showthread.php?t=1616921



I thought that was the best part, because of the discussion that seemed to say that Oracle really makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot like this and that's why it's so much better than SQL Server.

It was an anti climax to see the question garner a series of answers (of sorts) after such a promising set of opening exchanges. Depends on how you measure these things of course.

The compexity surrounding such a simple operation, the range of opinions proffered and resources referenced was certainly eye opening since I have never had the pleasure of administering Oracle.
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Kristen
Test

United Kingdom
22431 Posts

Posted - 04/19/2007 :  04:27:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"to say that Oracle really makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot like this and that's why it's so much better than SQL Server"

We're now talking about consultancy fee rates and prodigious amounts of available work, right?!!

Kristen
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mcrowley
Aged Yak Warrior

771 Posts

Posted - 04/19/2007 :  10:22:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Looks like the old debate about locking and read consistency to me. It is a common debate, and I think a person's view is mostly fueled by whichever system they were exposed to as a child. The debate is also peppered with plenty of FUD, and assumptions as displayed by this post: http://www.dbforums.com/showpost.php?p=6266334&postcount=19. Personally, I don't see either system as being better than the other. The developers have to understand the differences, is all. Sadly, these days with Rapid Application Development (or whatever paradigm they have now), no one seems to have any time to actually try to understand even the language the program in every day.
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Kristen
Test

United Kingdom
22431 Posts

Posted - 04/20/2007 :  03:04:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"It is a common debate, and I think a person's view is mostly fueled by whichever system they were exposed to as a child"

Damn! My eldest is 13 ... is it too late to expose them to one or other? What about the 7 year old?

I feel so inadequate as a parent ...

"Rapid Application Development (or whatever paradigm they have now)"

That will be the Extreme Programming surge, which you have missed. Bit like leaping off a 20M ramp on your skateboard and demonstrating your consummate skill (which is based on "Hope for the best")

Kirsten
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Michael Valentine Jones
Yak DBA Kernel (pronounced Colonel)

USA
7020 Posts

Posted - 04/27/2007 :  00:32:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I screwed up my database and need help with the cover-up, Jim.
http://www.sqlteam.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=82734




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jezemine
Flowing Fount of Yak Knowledge

USA
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Posted - 04/27/2007 :  03:00:05  Show Profile  Visit jezemine's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I opened up the hard drive casing, removed the shiny disk, set it on a train track and let a train smash it, then I taped it to the nose of a rocket and fired it into the sun, which then went supernova, as luck would have it.

how can I get my data back?


www.elsasoft.org
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DonAtWork
Flowing Fount of Yak Knowledge

2161 Posts

Posted - 04/27/2007 :  11:18:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I dont have a computer, what is a data base, and can you give me what they want? Now, because i have a concern do this thank you not a homework question, yes please.

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X002548
Not Just a Number

15586 Posts

Posted - 04/27/2007 :  15:06:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"I printed out all of my database to paper, now how do I get it back?"



Brett

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jezemine
Flowing Fount of Yak Knowledge

USA
2886 Posts

Posted - 04/27/2007 :  16:04:45  Show Profile  Visit jezemine's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by X002548

"I printed out all of my database to paper, now how do I get it back?"



gotta scan it, like these poor saps: http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/03/20/america/NA-GEN-US-Lost-Data.php

(I think this story was posted in this thread once before)


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X002548
Not Just a Number

15586 Posts

Posted - 04/30/2007 :  09:57:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jezemine

quote:
Originally posted by X002548

"I printed out all of my database to paper, now how do I get it back?"



gotta scan it, like these poor saps: http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/03/20/america/NA-GEN-US-Lost-Data.php

(I think this story was posted in this thread once before)


www.elsasoft.org




Good lord, I was kidding....bacck up tapes unreadable..holy cow



Brett

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DonAtWork
Flowing Fount of Yak Knowledge

2161 Posts

Posted - 05/16/2007 :  10:42:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
http://www.sqlteam.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=83643

[Signature]For fast help, follow this link:
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Learn SQL
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http://www.w3schools.com/sql/default.asp
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Kristen
Test

United Kingdom
22431 Posts

Posted - 05/16/2007 :  15:49:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Damn! You beat me to it "I've been a member of SQL Team for a while, and have posted 47 posts; My data is really important. However, I didn't bother to set up any automated backups"

Kristen
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