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Kristen
Test

United Kingdom
22415 Posts

Posted - 12/09/2010 :  12:28:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by robvolk

Ahhhh, the good ol' days of green and white fanfold paper, 11 x 17 inches.


One of my first programs was to calculate the speed of the Line Printer in miles-per-hour That was in Fortran and using Punched Cards and we had 16K Words of memory and 4 tape decks (You youngsters won't understand any of those grown-up's words )

"And daisywheel printers."

Our report writer had a configurable dividing line character (tm) so that when the "_" petal broke going _ _ _ _ _ all the way across the page the life of the daisy wheel could be extended by changing to "-" ... and then "=" ... etc ...
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elwoos
Flowing Fount of Yak Knowledge

United Kingdom
2050 Posts

Posted - 12/10/2010 :  04:40:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kristen
using Punched Cards and we had 16K Words of memory and 4 tape decks (You youngsters won't understand any of those grown-up's words )



Youth of today don't know they're born do they Kristen? I remember punched card programs taking days to debug, good quality elastic bands being at a premium and of course the joy of "accidentally" swapping 2 cards in a rival's stack.

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I used to think I wasn't a morning person but it never got better in the afternoon
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russell
Pyro-ma-ni-yak

USA
5072 Posts

Posted - 12/10/2010 :  11:31:05  Show Profile  Visit russell's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kristen

You youngsters won't understand any of those grown-up's words

lol. I'll tell you, today, with all the tools to make development easy, there is almost an entire generation of programmers (and other IT professionals) who have no clue how computers work. I've interviewed people with several years of experience (supposedly) who don't know how many bits in a byte, who don't know any DOS commands, who couldn't use their computer if you took their mouse away...
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blindman
Flowing Fount of Yak Knowledge

USA
2365 Posts

Posted - 12/10/2010 :  12:44:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I've had to explain how bitmasks and bitwise operators work to senior-level developers in our company.
And I am just an ignorant DBA....

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If it is not practically useful, then it is practically useless.
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Edited by - blindman on 12/10/2010 12:45:06
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TimSman
Posting Yak Master

USA
127 Posts

Posted - 12/10/2010 :  15:30:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
First development job was using a proprietary high-level language. The language was used to build expert systems (like controlling manufacturing lines, or overseeing operations at a nuke plant). The IDE was such that you could write whole pieces of functionality without actually having to type a word (it provided a list of options at the bottom of the window, and you could just click on the words).

My role on the project:
Re-write a procedure to draw graphical symbols on the screen based on a user's mouse clicks. Yes, I had to write what would effectively be low-level graphics capabilities in an extremely abstract language. And the code I was updating was written by someone who started out in COBOL and Fortran. So all the variables were three characters. And had no loops. He literally coded the same block three times, just modified the variable names.

That project was killed shortly after I left.
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Michael Valentine Jones
Yak DBA Kernel (pronounced Colonel)

USA
7020 Posts

Posted - 12/10/2010 :  19:11:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kristen
...we had 16K Words of memory...



My very first IT job was operating a system about the size of a large washing machine that had 16K of memory and didn't even have a built-in bootstrap routine. It was used to print from reel-to-reel tapes to high speed line printers.

On a system restart, we had to enter the boot loader program binary directly into memory using dials to set hex values that were written down on a sheet of paper, hit the "write to memory" button, then use the "address step" button to select the next memory location and so on. When we finished entering the 100 or so instructions, we pressed the "program run" to start the boot routine to load the OS from a reel-to-reel tape. Of course, most of the time we messed up at least one instruction and had to start from the beginning.






CODO ERGO SUM
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nigelrivett
Flowing Fount of Yak Knowledge

United Kingdom
3383 Posts

Posted - 12/12/2010 :  10:08:55  Show Profile  Visit nigelrivett's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by robvolk

quote:
Originally posted by Michael Valentine Jones
May be a little hard to read if your spreadsheet is a 50 foot long roll of paper.
Ahhhh, the good ol' days of green and white fanfold paper, 11 x 17 inches. And daisywheel printers. I remember working through 3 inch stacks of that stuff.



don't use your passport as a placeholder - I lost one that way.

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Cursors are useful if you don't know sql.
SSIS can be used in a similar way.
Beer is not cold and it isn't fizzy.
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robvolk
Most Valuable Yak

USA
15676 Posts

Posted - 12/17/2010 :  17:33:25  Show Profile  Visit robvolk's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Sorry, even if they're a beginner, this is ridiculous:

http://www.sqlteam.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=154327
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Michael Valentine Jones
Yak DBA Kernel (pronounced Colonel)

USA
7020 Posts

Posted - 12/30/2010 :  11:05:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kristen

As a SQL (GetIt?!) to It's Dead Jim I propose a Twit List - a feature that used to exist on all the Good Bulletin Boards I used to use in the ... errmmm ... 70's, but sadly lacking from Forum software like Snitz

For starters:

http://www.sqlteam.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=69421
http://www.sqlteam.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=68670 Great climax (as at 07/05/2006 : 10:29:46)
http://www.sqlteam.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=68642 Blimey! Yet another ...

http://www.sqlteam.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=61920 All time great!

Kristen


The original twit is back, and it looks like not much has changed.
http://www.sqlteam.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=154655
http://www.sqlteam.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=154656
http://www.sqlteam.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=154658






CODO ERGO SUM
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russell
Pyro-ma-ni-yak

USA
5072 Posts

Posted - 12/30/2010 :  12:16:34  Show Profile  Visit russell's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Maybe they're using the forum for source control
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Kristen
Test

United Kingdom
22415 Posts

Posted - 12/30/2010 :  13:34:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Blimey! Four years twittering in the making?!!
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DonAtWork
Flowing Fount of Yak Knowledge

2161 Posts

Posted - 01/03/2011 :  09:02:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kristen

Blimey! Four years twitting in the making?!!



Fixed.

http://weblogs.sqlteam.com/jeffs/archive/2008/05/13/question-needed-not-answer.aspx
How to ask: http://weblogs.sqlteam.com/brettk/archive/2005/05/25/5276.aspx

For ultra basic questions, follow these links.
http://www.sql-tutorial.net/
http://www.firstsql.com/tutor.htm
http://www.w3schools.com/sql/default.asp
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Kristen
Test

United Kingdom
22415 Posts

Posted - 01/03/2011 :  11:48:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"Fixed."

Thanks for removing the Irony and Innuendo </sigh>
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jezemine
Flowing Fount of Yak Knowledge

USA
2886 Posts

Posted - 01/03/2011 :  17:21:34  Show Profile  Visit jezemine's Homepage  Reply with Quote
those posts should be moved to the script library.

:)


elsasoft.org
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nigelrivett
Flowing Fount of Yak Knowledge

United Kingdom
3383 Posts

Posted - 01/05/2011 :  00:22:35  Show Profile  Visit nigelrivett's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Appologies to the OP as he seems to have been dropped in it but
http://www.sqlteam.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=154751


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Cursors are useful if you don't know sql.
SSIS can be used in a similar way.
Beer is not cold and it isn't fizzy.
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SwePeso
Patron Saint of Lost Yaks

Sweden
30265 Posts

Posted - 01/05/2011 :  01:31:43  Show Profile  Visit SwePeso's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Doesn't matter. He's in deep water anyway.



N 56°04'39.26"
E 12°55'05.63"
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DonAtWork
Flowing Fount of Yak Knowledge

2161 Posts

Posted - 01/05/2011 :  12:18:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kristen

"Fixed."

Thanks for removing the Irony and Innuendo </sigh>



Welcome

And yes, it was on purpose. This twitting is WAY worse than twittering has ever been.

http://weblogs.sqlteam.com/jeffs/archive/2008/05/13/question-needed-not-answer.aspx
How to ask: http://weblogs.sqlteam.com/brettk/archive/2005/05/25/5276.aspx

For ultra basic questions, follow these links.
http://www.sql-tutorial.net/
http://www.firstsql.com/tutor.htm
http://www.w3schools.com/sql/default.asp
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Lumbago
Norsk Yak Master

Norway
3271 Posts

Posted - 01/12/2011 :  07:50:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Is it just me or is this guy totally not getting anything at all??

-> http://www.sqlteam.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=155077

- Lumbago

My blog (yes, I have a blog now! just not that much content yet)
-> www.thefirstsql.com
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Sachin.Nand
Flowing Fount of Yak Knowledge

2937 Posts

Posted - 01/12/2011 :  09:14:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lumbago

Is it just me or is this guy totally not getting anything at all??

-> http://www.sqlteam.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=155077

- Lumbago

My blog (yes, I have a blog now! just not that much content yet)
-> www.thefirstsql.com




After 14 replies OP understands what we want.

http://www.sqlteam.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=155077#610101

I doubt he is English.


PBUH

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RickD
Slow But Sure Yak Herding Master

United Kingdom
3608 Posts

Posted - 01/12/2011 :  10:17:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by nigelrivett

Appologies to the OP as he seems to have been dropped in it but
http://www.sqlteam.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=154751


==========================================
Cursors are useful if you don't know sql.
SSIS can be used in a similar way.
Beer is not cold and it isn't fizzy.


Sorry, but "I was taken on as a DBA not a Developer" doesn't cut it. Surely as a DBA you should know T-SQL?!?
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