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m_k_s@hotmail.com
Insecure what ??

38 Posts

Posted - 04/28/2008 :  21:46:53  Show Profile  Visit m_k_s@hotmail.com's Homepage
I'm not impressed with the speed/quality of responses from this forum...

Can anybody recommend a more active forum?

rmiao
Flowing Fount of Yak Knowledge

USA
7266 Posts

Posted - 04/28/2008 :  22:18:17  Show Profile
Let me know if you find something.
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henrikop
Constraint Violating Yak Guru

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280 Posts

Posted - 04/29/2008 :  05:44:17  Show Profile  Visit henrikop's Homepage
Take some time to find that there's a lot of dedicated people on this forum. If you buy a new game... it takes time to get good at it. This forum is like that. After some time you'll find that responses improve after making better questions .

I like this site and this forum, check the Weblogs too, there's a lot of knowledge to be found...

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SwePeso
Patron Saint of Lost Yaks

Sweden
30250 Posts

Posted - 04/29/2008 :  05:50:02  Show Profile  Visit SwePeso's Homepage
Please elaborate what you find dissatifying.

Also please explain what rmiao and loztinspace didn't help you with here:
http://www.sqlteam.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=101812


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Edited by - SwePeso on 04/29/2008 05:51:28
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m_k_s@hotmail.com
Insecure what ??

38 Posts

Posted - 04/29/2008 :  08:11:57  Show Profile  Visit m_k_s@hotmail.com's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by Peso

Please elaborate what you find dissatifying.

Also please explain what rmiao and loztinspace didn't help you with here:
http://www.sqlteam.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=101812


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I appreciate their time in trying to answer the question, but I don't think the responders quite understood the business requirement... The responses were not helpful in any practical way.

In terms of issues with this forum:
1) responses are a bit slow
2) quality of responses are variable (i read through a sampling of posts to gauge expertise)

I think this forum is the best one I could find, I was just fishing to see if anyone knew of a better one - even if it is paid...
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m_k_s@hotmail.com
Insecure what ??

38 Posts

Posted - 04/29/2008 :  08:22:34  Show Profile  Visit m_k_s@hotmail.com's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by Peso

Please elaborate what you find dissatifying.

Also please explain what rmiao and loztinspace didn't help you with here:
http://www.sqlteam.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=101812


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Let me illustrate the dissatisfaction with the below post...

http://www.sqlteam.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=101668

granted the specification/question had gaps, but the only assistance offered was

SELECT ID,
DocName,
DocLocationClassifier
FROM theTable
WHERE DocLocationClassifier LIKE '/' + @OrgName + '/' + @Department + '/' + @SubDepartment + '/%'

I'm pretty sure the poster didn't find the above helpful. The responder didn't warn that using LIKE in a query with a significant amount of data may lead to performance issues. The responder didn't point out that the way the poster was structuring their data was unsound. Grant it, the post had a lot of blanks, but still...

Also - I saw another post where someone asked - can you migrate from SQL Server 2000 to SQL Server 2005... the only response was 'YES'... The poster probably wanted to be pointed in the direction of, ok how is it done and what are the potential issues...

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SwePeso
Patron Saint of Lost Yaks

Sweden
30250 Posts

Posted - 04/29/2008 :  08:27:44  Show Profile  Visit SwePeso's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by m_k_s@hotmail.com

In terms of issues with this forum:
1) responses are a bit slow
2) quality of responses are variable (i read through a sampling of posts to gauge expertise)


Allow me to have a laugh at #1.
Most questions here are answered within 6 minutes.
Is that not fast enough?

Regarding #2, if you think a follow-up question(s) for badly formed problem statements is "bad quality", yes then by all means please move on to next forum.



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spirit1
Cybernetic Yak Master

Slovenia
11751 Posts

Posted - 04/29/2008 :  08:48:35  Show Profile  Visit spirit1's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by m_k_s@hotmail.com

I'm not impressed with the speed/quality of responses from this forum...

Can anybody recommend a more active forum?



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m_k_s@hotmail.com
Insecure what ??

38 Posts

Posted - 04/29/2008 :  08:49:48  Show Profile  Visit m_k_s@hotmail.com's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by Peso

quote:
Originally posted by m_k_s@hotmail.com

In terms of issues with this forum:
1) responses are a bit slow
2) quality of responses are variable (i read through a sampling of posts to gauge expertise)


Allow me to have a laugh at #1.
Most questions here are answered within 6 minutes.
Is that not fast enough?

Regarding #2, if you think a follow-up question(s) for badly formed problem statements is "bad quality", yes then by all means please move on to next forum.



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If you look at the last 20 or so topics, the span of time for useful replies is not 6 minutes... I would consider 24 hours good time for a meaningful answer on a forum. Maybe the sampling I took was bad, but it sure doesn't look like answers get resolved in 6 minutes...

You are throwing up a straw-man... I never said follow-up questions are not bad. I said the answers were less than optimal.

If you take questions from newbs, you have to understand that they probably don't even know enough to ask the right question. That's why I find it objectionable to steer them down a path without fully understanding what they are trying to do.
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m_k_s@hotmail.com
Insecure what ??

38 Posts

Posted - 04/29/2008 :  08:57:33  Show Profile  Visit m_k_s@hotmail.com's Homepage
ahem... Peso - you asked for clarification here and never responded... it's been 3 weeks...

http://www.sqlteam.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=100513

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SwePeso
Patron Saint of Lost Yaks

Sweden
30250 Posts

Posted - 04/29/2008 :  08:58:19  Show Profile  Visit SwePeso's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by m_k_s@hotmail.com

Let me illustrate the dissatisfaction with the below post...

http://www.sqlteam.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=101668

granted the specification/question had gaps, but the only assistance offered was

SELECT ID,
DocName,
DocLocationClassifier
FROM theTable
WHERE DocLocationClassifier LIKE '/' + @OrgName + '/' + @Department + '/' + @SubDepartment + '/%'

Yes I know. I am the one offering the suggestion.
I think that is much more helpful than forcing OP to rewrite application, especially when whe already have posted what she has come up with this far.

And you Department / SubDepartment tables? What are they for?
Is not a hierarchy table (DepartmentID, ParentDepartmentID) a better way to go?



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SwePeso
Patron Saint of Lost Yaks

Sweden
30250 Posts

Posted - 04/29/2008 :  09:02:15  Show Profile  Visit SwePeso's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by m_k_s@hotmail.com

ahem... Peso - you asked for clarification here and never responded... it's been 3 weeks...

http://www.sqlteam.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=100513


Aha!
You assume I check "notify me" on every suggestion I make? Oh man



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SwePeso
Patron Saint of Lost Yaks

Sweden
30250 Posts

Posted - 04/29/2008 :  09:06:02  Show Profile  Visit SwePeso's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by m_k_s@hotmail.com

If you take questions from newbs, you have to understand that they probably don't even know enough to ask the right question. That's why I find it objectionable to steer them down a path without fully understanding what they are trying to do.

They DO NOT know what they are doing in some cases. That's the problem.
They are given homework and didn't pay to much attention in class, or are given a task to solve and are not competent enough.
That's mostly the bottom line.

If they have started on a solution, why make them rewrite everything and completely take their self-esteem down, when a suggestion or solution can be made with existing environment? Even if it is not the "correct" environment...




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m_k_s@hotmail.com
Insecure what ??

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Posted - 04/29/2008 :  09:08:33  Show Profile  Visit m_k_s@hotmail.com's Homepage
Peso - I'm not trying to cut on you or this forum. I find it amazing that people are generous enough to offer free assistance.

As a new user, I was inquiring if there were other forums that people used as well.

Also in regard to the post about dept/subdept/etc... The poster indicated that they were in SCHEMA DESIGN - that means that they are at the beginning. The structure I offered is a possible way to normalize the schema. I don't know the poster's full requirements, so I offered caveats with my suggestion.

You said that response time is 6 minutes, and I gave you some clear examples of - no it's not 6 minutes.
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SwePeso
Patron Saint of Lost Yaks

Sweden
30250 Posts

Posted - 04/29/2008 :  09:18:18  Show Profile  Visit SwePeso's Homepage
You forget the little "most" before. Which mean most question are answered within 6 minutes.
Like an average if you want to.

It also means some question have an response time over 6 minutes. In the first topic you provided a link for, my response was about 40 minutes.

Here is a topic with a 57 seconds response time
http://www.sqlteam.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=101740

3 minutes 31 seconds
http://www.sqlteam.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=101500

2 minutes and 19 seconds
http://www.sqlteam.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=101497

5 minutes 12 seconds
http://www.sqlteam.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=101910

2 minutes 12 seconds
http://www.sqlteam.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=101773

4 minutes 40 seconds
http://www.sqlteam.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=101753

I believe Graz can make some statistics about first response time...



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m_k_s@hotmail.com
Insecure what ??

38 Posts

Posted - 04/29/2008 :  10:36:31  Show Profile  Visit m_k_s@hotmail.com's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by Peso

You forget the little "most" before. Which mean most question are answered within 6 minutes.
Like an average if you want to.

It also means some question have an response time over 6 minutes. In the first topic you provided a link for, my response was about 40 minutes.

Here is a topic with a 57 seconds response time
http://www.sqlteam.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=101740

3 minutes 31 seconds
http://www.sqlteam.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=101500

2 minutes and 19 seconds
http://www.sqlteam.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=101497

5 minutes 12 seconds
http://www.sqlteam.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=101910

2 minutes 12 seconds
http://www.sqlteam.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=101773

4 minutes 40 seconds
http://www.sqlteam.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=101753

I believe Graz can make some statistics about first response time...



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The average of 1 minute, 2 minute, 3 minute, 4 minutes, and 3 weeks is... ~6000 minutes...

You take things too personally Peso.

Have you worked with high-end dbas - there is a reason they make $150-400/hr? The knowledge/skills exhibited here are novice-intermediate. I include myself in the novice category. The difference is that I realize that I'm a novice and I'm cool with that. You think your skillz be better than they are...

Volunteered time is valuable and it's great that people are trying to help eachother. You shouldn't take it personally that someone critiques the forum.

There is not much you can do about the response times - it's no one's job to answer questions, but more highly trafficked sites generally get speedier responses.

Constructive criticism was offered in that it's bad to lead newbs down a path, just so that you can write a post. It's better to reject the post as needing more information. I think there are people who post here who are trying to do work. I also see that sometimes the answers offered are suboptimal at best...

The site would get more traffic if people wrote better answers and more people came here for answers, which in turn would lead to more frequent, and perhaps higher quality responses.

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spirit1
Cybernetic Yak Master

Slovenia
11751 Posts

Posted - 04/29/2008 :  10:39:44  Show Profile  Visit spirit1's Homepage
well the 4 most popular/most visited sql forums are in the descending order are probably:
1. sql server central
2. sql team
3. sql server performance
4. db forums

so you might try your luck there


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Edited by - spirit1 on 04/29/2008 10:40:03
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m_k_s@hotmail.com
Insecure what ??

38 Posts

Posted - 04/29/2008 :  11:15:39  Show Profile  Visit m_k_s@hotmail.com's Homepage
T
quote:
Originally posted by spirit1

well the 4 most popular/most visited sql forums are in the descending order are probably:
1. sql server central
2. sql team
3. sql server performance
4. db forums

so you might try your luck there


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Thanks SPIRIT!
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Michael Valentine Jones
Yak DBA Kernel (pronounced Colonel)

USA
7020 Posts

Posted - 04/29/2008 :  11:21:51  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by m_k_s@hotmail.com

...You take things too personally Peso...

...You think your skillz be better than they are...




First you tell Peso he takes things too personally, then you tell him he thinks too much of himself.

Face it, you're just trying to start a flame war.

I'm offering that in the spirit of constructive criticism, so please don't take that too personally.





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Edited by - Michael Valentine Jones on 04/29/2008 11:24:22
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pootle_flump
Flowing Fount of Yak Knowledge

United Kingdom
1064 Posts

Posted - 04/29/2008 :  11:57:20  Show Profile
We don't feed trolls much at dbforums mks - I wouldn't bother stopping there.
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Van
Constraint Violating Yak Guru

458 Posts

Posted - 04/29/2008 :  12:05:58  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by m_k_s@hotmail.com



You take things too personally Peso.

You think your skillz be better than they are...




Dude, you aren't so smart yourself. I've never said much to Peso, but I've read many of his responses in the past and he's one smart cookie. Many of the others on here are as well. I will admit that it's fun when someone like you comes around and posts their nonsense. It's amusing to say the least. This is probably the best site you will find for SQL questions. L2P - that's Learn To Post...noob.
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