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SwePeso
Patron Saint of Lost Yaks

Sweden
30115 Posts

Posted - 04/22/2009 :  04:45:10  Show Profile  Visit SwePeso's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by darkdusky

Who has ownership of my words?
Compare to broadcasting on TV.
Can a news company send the news with footage of President Obama?
Who "owns" the President's spoken words, captured on film and made publically available?


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Edited by - SwePeso on 04/22/2009 04:46:30
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darkdusky
Aged Yak Warrior

591 Posts

Posted - 04/22/2009 :  04:57:53  Show Profile
The original version hadn't been changed in those 18 days so then neither would the cached version (fairly obvious really) if you check in a couple of days the cached version will be different.
I found a reference to 3 days yesterday - if I find the page I might post the link, but -
I'm sure this will not upset anyone -
I think this will be the last time I post anything on this site - if it can't follow its own rules or respect the occassional need for privacy of posters what's the point in putting up with the hassle.
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SwePeso
Patron Saint of Lost Yaks

Sweden
30115 Posts

Posted - 04/22/2009 :  05:05:16  Show Profile  Visit SwePeso's Homepage
It's sad you think be given free (no charge) quality advice is a hassle.


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Edited by - SwePeso on 04/22/2009 05:07:41
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darkdusky
Aged Yak Warrior

591 Posts

Posted - 04/22/2009 :  05:16:33  Show Profile
And finally:
your right my reason is employer knowledge, not of my question but of the number of answers I have given others during work hours.
The hassle is not getting advice which I am grateful for. The hassle is the trouble I take / took to answer others' questions, and of having to deal with arrogant posts from self-important posters who I will resist naming.
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SwePeso
Patron Saint of Lost Yaks

Sweden
30115 Posts

Posted - 04/22/2009 :  05:24:51  Show Profile  Visit SwePeso's Homepage
Why then just this topic?
You have 500+ other posts here at SQLTeam.

In this topic, your name is still there with date and time even if you edited your post.


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darkdusky
Aged Yak Warrior

591 Posts

Posted - 04/22/2009 :  05:29:11  Show Profile
It's not my real name - but the question could be associated with me - not that I should have to explain. And to clarify ownership / copyright - the written word has a long history of copyright - but asserting copyright of spoken word and / or images is less straight-forward.
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spirit1
Cybernetic Yak Master

Slovenia
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Posted - 04/22/2009 :  05:40:39  Show Profile  Visit spirit1's Homepage
it's simple good rules of conduct.
public forum offers free public help for everyone to see.
if you don't want your posts to be seen by others then don't post them.

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uberman
Posting Yak Master

158 Posts

Posted - 04/22/2009 :  06:28:16  Show Profile
Privacy through obfuscation is probably no more effective then security through obfuscation.
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RickD
Slow But Sure Yak Herding Master

United Kingdom
3608 Posts

Posted - 04/22/2009 :  11:37:13  Show Profile
Why am I receiving an email from the OP ?
quote:

rick - can you look at http://www.sqlteam.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=123127If you agree I should be able to delete my post can you add a comment?


1) I am not a mod.
2) I do not agree, people spend their time helping you for FREE. As someone said earlier in the post, if you want private advice, pay a consultant for it.

Edited by - RickD on 04/22/2009 11:41:36
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Transact Charlie
Flowing Fount of Yak Knowledge

United Kingdom
3451 Posts

Posted - 04/22/2009 :  11:40:51  Show Profile  Visit Transact Charlie's Homepage
I received this Email -- I'm sure a lot of you did too:
quote:

Hello Transact Charlie

You received the following message from: darkdusky **********************

At: http://www.sqlteam.com/forums/

Charlie - can you look at http://www.sqlteam.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=123127
If you agree I should be able to delete my post can you add a comment?


Urm,

No -- I think it's fairly clear that information you post to a message board / forum is no longer yours -- you are giving it to the public domain.

However, I appreciate the concerns you have raised on this post. I'd understand removal of the posts if the exposed your companies data / methods or harmed their reputation. As this doesn't seem to be the case then your issue seems to be that there is a public record that you posted these posts at certain times using a certain ID.

It's clear that the admins don't want to remove your posts for very good reasons -- why do you not ask them to annonymise (?sp?) your posts instead? I'm sure that that they will be amenable to reasonable requests you may have regarding your privacy/ reputation.

Presumable they could change your handle on the site for posts at your request?


Charlie
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GilaMonster
Flowing Fount of Yak Knowledge

South Africa
4507 Posts

Posted - 04/22/2009 :  11:57:36  Show Profile  Visit GilaMonster's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by RickD

Why am I receiving an email from the OP ?
quote:

rick - can you look at http://www.sqlteam.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=123127If you agree I should be able to delete my post can you add a comment?


1) I am not a mod.
2) I do not agree, people spend their time helping you for FREE. As someone said earlier in the post, if you want private advice, pay a consultant for it.



I agree with point two fully. Half the point of a forum is so that the advice is searchable at a later date. There's nothing I find more infuriating when searching for help than to find partial advice with no context, as is the case here.
I spend my time answering forums (less this one and more SSC), because I know that I'm not just helping one person, but also other people who are too shy, too nervous or to scared to post the same question themselves, or who may run across the thread days, weeks or even years later.

p.s. DarkDusky, I doubt you're endearing yourself to people by mass mailing them (spam?)

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a.ashabi
Posting Yak Master

Ukraine
117 Posts

Posted - 04/22/2009 :  12:41:13  Show Profile
sure
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graz
Chief SQLTeam Crack Dealer

USA
4137 Posts

Posted - 04/22/2009 :  12:49:51  Show Profile  Visit graz's Homepage
I'm going to lock this thread. I think there is some interesting discussion but I'm afraid it is going to get out of hand quickly. I've also emailed the original poster asking him not to email other members soliciting support.

I think this is really my fault. It falls into a gray area in the terms of service. When I get back from the PASS Conference I'll update those to better reflect what I want to happen and clarify what should happen in this situation.

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