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byrmol
Shed Building SQL Farmer

Australia
1591 Posts

Posted - 09/23/2005 :  17:24:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Nice to see..

http://www.dbm.nl/site/Hetblad/Columns/Pascal.html

from our friends at dbdebunk..http://www.dbdebunk.com

DavidM

A front-end is something that tries to violate a back-end.

Michael Valentine Jones
Yak DBA Kernel (pronounced Colonel)

USA
7020 Posts

Posted - 09/23/2005 :  18:23:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It would have been a standard courtesy to provide a link to the original thread on SQLTeam.com so that people could read it, especially when he makes such extensive use of quotes. Close to half of the text was from that thread, and he even used it to close his article.

Does anyone have a link to the original thread?







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Kristen
Test

United Kingdom
22415 Posts

Posted - 09/24/2005 :  00:33:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"Does anyone have a link to the original thread"

http://www.sqlteam.com/Forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=32838
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Kristen
Test

United Kingdom
22415 Posts

Posted - 09/24/2005 :  00:36:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"It would have been a standard courtesy to provide a link"

I agree. How about asking him why he didn't?

http://www.dbm.nl/site/contact.html

Kristen
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madhivanan
Premature Yak Congratulator

India
22765 Posts

Posted - 09/24/2005 :  01:21:53  Show Profile  Send madhivanan a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kristen

"Does anyone have a link to the original thread"

http://www.sqlteam.com/Forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=32838


Kris, Do you scan every post?

Madhivanan

Failing to plan is Planning to fail
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Kristen
Test

United Kingdom
22415 Posts

Posted - 09/24/2005 :  01:46:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"Do you scan every post?"

Nah, simple Google job ...

Kristen
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eyechart
Flowing Fount of Yak Knowledge

USA
3575 Posts

Posted - 09/24/2005 :  02:22:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
it is pretty standard for Mr. Pascal to leave out the link to the message threads he references. I have never heard his justification for this, which is kind of surprising because this question comes up almost every time one of his articles (or quotes of the day) originates from sqlteam.


-ec

Edited by - eyechart on 09/24/2005 02:23:53
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Michael Valentine Jones
Yak DBA Kernel (pronounced Colonel)

USA
7020 Posts

Posted - 09/24/2005 :  02:48:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Brett criticized him on that thread for doing that that:
"Hey...look at that...he finally posted the author...but still not the lenk to the post..."

I guess that means there is no point in complaining to him about it.



quote:
Originally posted by eyechart

it is pretty standard for Mr. Pascal to leave out the link to the message threads he references. I have never heard his justification for this, which is kind of surprising because this question comes up almost every time one of his articles (or quotes of the day) originates from sqlteam.


-ec



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derrickleggett
Pointy Haired Yak DBA

USA
4184 Posts

Posted - 09/25/2005 :  18:53:08  Show Profile  Visit derrickleggett's Homepage  Send derrickleggett an AOL message  Send derrickleggett a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Hmmm.....crap, screwups, and a warm, fuzzy feeling......yep, that would be me!!!


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X002548
Not Just a Number

15586 Posts

Posted - 09/26/2005 :  12:33:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yeah, I got that one. I've made him a hobby now

http://weblogs.sqlteam.com/brettk/archive/2005/08/11/7516.aspx



Brett

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X002548
Not Just a Number

15586 Posts

Posted - 09/26/2005 :  12:34:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kristen

"It would have been a standard courtesy to provide a link"

I agree. How about asking him why he didn't?

http://www.dbm.nl/site/contact.html

Kristen



I get Page can nor be found....although I have nothing to say to him



Brett

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rockmoose
SQL Natt Alfen

Sweden
3279 Posts

Posted - 09/26/2005 :  16:20:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
SQLTEAM good !!!

The debunking factor in that article is extremely low.
He even censored the "damn hangover" part from the original post.

I got the feeling that for some reason he just wanted to quote a certain member on this forum in an article,
and that we will not live to see the day when he links that members weblog.

It's a pity, anyone who doesn't reference the sources is hard to take seriously.
And when I say pity I mean it.

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elwoos
Flowing Fount of Yak Knowledge

United Kingdom
2050 Posts

Posted - 09/27/2005 :  03:21:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hey guys, chill!

From what I know about this guy he sounds like a self aggrandising second rate academic who gets his kicks out of winding people up because that means people talk about him which in his eyes may make him more important. Any real analysis of his writing would show lots of fluff and nonsense and little substance (and no - he doesn't have my permission to quote me on any of this without linking to here)


steve



Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!

Edited by - elwoos on 09/27/2005 03:25:04
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Kristen
Test

United Kingdom
22415 Posts

Posted - 09/27/2005 :  03:26:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So elwoos, if everyone goes back and deletes all their posts referring to him he'll die of depression?

OK, that's Plan A then ...

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Michael Valentine Jones
Yak DBA Kernel (pronounced Colonel)

USA
7020 Posts

Posted - 09/27/2005 :  09:51:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think you are giving the guy credit for more motives than are really there. Lazy is a lot more likely than manipulative and self-aggrandizing.

He probably just had a column due, so he picked a thread off of SQLTeam that he could quote and write a few comments about to tie together into an article. Close to half of it was already written for him, and he just had to fill in a few "profound insights".


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X002548
Not Just a Number

15586 Posts

Posted - 09/27/2005 :  11:35:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Oh, I don't know...he's certainly puts a lot of effort in to finding ways to antagonize people...

You have to give him some credit for that


Brett

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elwoos
Flowing Fount of Yak Knowledge

United Kingdom
2050 Posts

Posted - 09/28/2005 :  02:16:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
<THINKS> Wonder if he's related to Igor? </THINKS>



steve

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
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Stoad
Freaky Yak Linguist

*
1983 Posts

Posted - 09/28/2005 :  05:12:22  Show Profile  Visit Stoad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by elwoos

<THINKS> Wonder if he's related to Igor? </THINKS>



steve

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!



No, Steve! That Igor is me. :(
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jen
Flowing Fount of Yak Knowledge

Sweden
4110 Posts

Posted - 09/28/2005 :  05:46:36  Show Profile  Send jen a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
i've read that thread and it was loonnnnggg and draaagggginnnng...

if this is true Stoad then it explains the following:

1. his grasp of the english language, you being a linguist -
- the "trying to learn english" masking the excellent diction you have

2. your being away for quite sometime

3. naughtiness in invoking such reactions from the members while seemingly not being affected by these "reactions"



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Stoad
Freaky Yak Linguist

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1983 Posts

Posted - 09/29/2005 :  12:06:21  Show Profile  Visit Stoad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
jen!
BWA-HA-HA!
It was a joke! I hardly know who that Igor is!
As for my absence here; it's really a tough job for me to communicate
with my friends (yes! I count all of you as my friends!) via foreign
language. N-o-t-h-i-n-g more than that.
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rockmoose
SQL Natt Alfen

Sweden
3279 Posts

Posted - 09/29/2005 :  13:30:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Stoad!
Nice seeing You again

Just dropped by to say that...
and that the problems were really hard.
and I'm sooooo busy atm.
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