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Kristen
Test
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 12/09/2010 : 12:28:12
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Originally posted by robvolk
Ahhhh, the good ol' days of green and white fanfold paper, 11 x 17 inches.
One of my first programs was to calculate the speed of the Line Printer in miles-per-hour  That was in Fortran and using Punched Cards and we had 16K Words of memory and 4 tape decks (You youngsters won't understand any of those grown-up's words )
"And daisywheel printers."
Our report writer had a configurable dividing line character (tm)  so that when the "_" petal broke going _ _ _ _ _ all the way across the page the life of the daisy wheel could be extended by changing to "-" ... and then "=" ... etc ...
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elwoos
Flowing Fount of Yak Knowledge
United Kingdom
2052 Posts |
Posted - 12/10/2010 : 04:40:39
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Originally posted by Kristen
using Punched Cards and we had 16K Words of memory and 4 tape decks (You youngsters won't understand any of those grown-up's words )
Youth of today don't know they're born do they Kristen? I remember punched card programs taking days to debug, good quality elastic bands being at a premium and of course the joy of "accidentally" swapping 2 cards in a rival's stack.
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russell
Pyro-ma-ni-yak
USA
5072 Posts |
Posted - 12/10/2010 : 11:31:05
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Originally posted by Kristen
You youngsters won't understand any of those grown-up's words
lol. I'll tell you, today, with all the tools to make development easy, there is almost an entire generation of programmers (and other IT professionals) who have no clue how computers work. I've interviewed people with several years of experience (supposedly) who don't know how many bits in a byte, who don't know any DOS commands, who couldn't use their computer if you took their mouse away... |
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blindman
Flowing Fount of Yak Knowledge
USA
2365 Posts |
Posted - 12/10/2010 : 12:44:45
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I've had to explain how bitmasks and bitwise operators work to senior-level developers in our company.
And I am just an ignorant DBA....
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TimSman
Posting Yak Master
USA
127 Posts |
Posted - 12/10/2010 : 15:30:29
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First development job was using a proprietary high-level language. The language was used to build expert systems (like controlling manufacturing lines, or overseeing operations at a nuke plant). The IDE was such that you could write whole pieces of functionality without actually having to type a word (it provided a list of options at the bottom of the window, and you could just click on the words).
My role on the project:
Re-write a procedure to draw graphical symbols on the screen based on a user's mouse clicks. Yes, I had to write what would effectively be low-level graphics capabilities in an extremely abstract language. And the code I was updating was written by someone who started out in COBOL and Fortran. So all the variables were three characters. And had no loops. He literally coded the same block three times, just modified the variable names.
That project was killed shortly after I left. |
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Michael Valentine Jones
Yak DBA Kernel (pronounced Colonel)
USA
7020 Posts |
Posted - 12/10/2010 : 19:11:43
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Originally posted by Kristen
...we had 16K Words of memory...
My very first IT job was operating a system about the size of a large washing machine that had 16K of memory and didn't even have a built-in bootstrap routine. It was used to print from reel-to-reel tapes to high speed line printers.
On a system restart, we had to enter the boot loader program binary directly into memory using dials to set hex values that were written down on a sheet of paper, hit the "write to memory" button, then use the "address step" button to select the next memory location and so on. When we finished entering the 100 or so instructions, we pressed the "program run" to start the boot routine to load the OS from a reel-to-reel tape. Of course, most of the time we messed up at least one instruction and had to start from the beginning.
CODO ERGO SUM |
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nigelrivett
Flowing Fount of Yak Knowledge
United Kingdom
3383 Posts |
Posted - 12/12/2010 : 10:08:55
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Originally posted by robvolk
quote:
Originally posted by Michael Valentine Jones
May be a little hard to read if your spreadsheet is a 50 foot long roll of paper.
Ahhhh, the good ol' days of green and white fanfold paper, 11 x 17 inches. And daisywheel printers. I remember working through 3 inch stacks of that stuff.
don't use your passport as a placeholder - I lost one that way.
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SSIS can be used in a similar way.
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robvolk
Most Valuable Yak
USA
15732 Posts |
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Michael Valentine Jones
Yak DBA Kernel (pronounced Colonel)
USA
7020 Posts |
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russell
Pyro-ma-ni-yak
USA
5072 Posts |
Posted - 12/30/2010 : 12:16:34
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Kristen
Test
United Kingdom
22859 Posts |
Posted - 12/30/2010 : 13:34:05
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| Blimey! Four years twittering in the making?!! |
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DonAtWork
Flowing Fount of Yak Knowledge
2167 Posts |
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Kristen
Test
United Kingdom
22859 Posts |
Posted - 01/03/2011 : 11:48:26
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"Fixed."
Thanks for removing the Irony and Innuendo </sigh> |
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jezemine
Flowing Fount of Yak Knowledge
USA
2886 Posts |
Posted - 01/03/2011 : 17:21:34
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those posts should be moved to the script library.
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nigelrivett
Flowing Fount of Yak Knowledge
United Kingdom
3383 Posts |
Posted - 01/05/2011 : 00:22:35
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Appologies to the OP as he seems to have been dropped in it but
http://www.sqlteam.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=154751
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Cursors are useful if you don't know sql.
SSIS can be used in a similar way.
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SwePeso
Patron Saint of Lost Yaks
Sweden
30421 Posts |
Posted - 01/05/2011 : 01:31:43
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Doesn't matter. He's in deep water anyway.
N 56°04'39.26"
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DonAtWork
Flowing Fount of Yak Knowledge
2167 Posts |
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Lumbago
Norsk Yak Master
Norway
3271 Posts |
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Sachin.Nand
Flowing Fount of Yak Knowledge
2937 Posts |
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RickD
Slow But Sure Yak Herding Master
United Kingdom
3608 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2011 : 10:17:22
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Originally posted by nigelrivett
Appologies to the OP as he seems to have been dropped in it but
http://www.sqlteam.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=154751
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Cursors are useful if you don't know sql.
SSIS can be used in a similar way.
Beer is not cold and it isn't fizzy.
Sorry, but "I was taken on as a DBA not a Developer" doesn't cut it. Surely as a DBA you should know T-SQL?!? |
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