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X002548
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Posted - 03/27/2007 :  12:51:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Huh? Is this true, they're already creating a new verasion?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_SQL_Server

http://www.crn.com/storage/170702999

http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=217

Anyone know anything about this?




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X002548
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Posted - 03/27/2007 :  12:54:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ahhh..after poking around

http://www.microsoft.com/systemcenter/opsmgr/default.mspx



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dinakar
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Posted - 03/27/2007 :  12:55:58  Show Profile  Visit dinakar's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yes there was a lot of Katmai talk at the summit. Not sure how much of it we are allowed to talk about since the entire conference was under NDA.

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nr
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Posted - 03/27/2007 :  13:00:03  Show Profile  Visit nr's Homepage  Reply with Quote
>> Not sure how much of it we are allowed to talk about
Safest not to say anything - even to confirm the surprising amount of info that people seem to have.


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X002548
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Posted - 03/27/2007 :  13:06:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Really...then what's with M$ web site?



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jezemine
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Posted - 03/27/2007 :  13:24:13  Show Profile  Visit jezemine's Homepage  Reply with Quote
there's always another version, what's so surprising about it?

planning for the next version generally starts before the current one ships, so katmai has been in the works for years really.


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SwePeso
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Posted - 03/27/2007 :  13:30:52  Show Profile  Visit SwePeso's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I found this.[quote]

Starfighter	Enterprise Manager	6.0
SQL95		SQL-Server 6.0		6.0
Hydra		SQL-Server 6.5		6.5
Sphinx		SQL-Server 7.0		7.0
Shiloh		SQL-Server 2000		8.0
Yukon		SQL Server 2005		9.0
Liberty		64Bit SQL-Server 2000	8.0  
Acadia		Next SQL Server?	10.0
Rosetta		SQL Reporting Services
[quote]

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mcrowley
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Posted - 03/27/2007 :  13:43:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well, considering that SP2 has just come out, and (even more shockingly) even the company I work for is taking its first tentative steps towards 2005, it is probably about time for information to start coming out. I was betting on a release in 2008, myself.

That quote does explain the easter egg in the 6.5 Enterprise Manager, though. I do have to admit, I kinda miss the traffic light motif ;-).
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graz
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Posted - 03/27/2007 :  16:13:36  Show Profile  Visit graz's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by X002548

Huh? Is this true, they're already creating a new verasion?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_SQL_Server

http://www.crn.com/storage/170702999

http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=217

Anyone know anything about this?




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Nearly everything from those articles they've discussed publicly before. Paul Flessner talked about the overall goals of the product in his PASS keynote in Seattle.

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graz
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Posted - 03/27/2007 :  16:15:10  Show Profile  Visit graz's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I'm also pretty sure the Acadia code name was retired/replaced by Katmai. Acadia still may be used for something but I haven't heard it referenced anywhere.

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jezemine
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Posted - 03/27/2007 :  19:47:37  Show Profile  Visit jezemine's Homepage  Reply with Quote
That's correct. Acadia was retired as a codename because Yukon dragged on for so long. if something wasn't going to get done for yukon, the saying was "push it to acadia". this went on for 5 years. once yukon finally did ship, it was felt that Acadia had too much of a stigma attached to it. People thought of it as a big bucket of bugs and features that got pushed off.

so they decided to start with a fresh, clean, spiffy new national park name: Katmai.


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spirit1
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Posted - 03/28/2007 :  04:59:05  Show Profile  Visit spirit1's Homepage  Reply with Quote
this is based completly on my feeling but
if you ask me ss2k5 is a great product but i think that it will be one of those hop over products.
people will go from ss2k to katmai sp1. maybe that's because ss2k proved to be pretty solid server

i don't understand though... why would an MVP summit be under NDA?
so you're discussing new tech? so what? MS can't be really concerned about competition, can it?





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SwePeso
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Posted - 03/28/2007 :  05:39:46  Show Profile  Visit SwePeso's Homepage  Reply with Quote
One of the things I want most for next service pack for SQL Server is:

SUM(i) OVER (PARTITION BY Col1 ORDER BY Col2)

Not just SUM, but any aggregate function.


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nr
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Posted - 03/28/2007 :  07:34:22  Show Profile  Visit nr's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by spirit1


i don't understand though... why would an MVP summit be under NDA?
so you're discussing new tech? so what? MS can't be really concerned about competition, can it?



I think it's more to do with managing expectations.
A lot of things talked about are under development and may be dropped from the product if they look like they might impact the release date.
They want an opinion on the usability of proposed functionality from a closed community before a public announcement and how the public might react.

Think the main reason though is so that they can talk freely without being worried about saying something that may be incorrect - bit like the difference between talking to your team and talking to the board or investors.

Or it could all just be a public relations exercise.

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jezemine
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Posted - 03/28/2007 :  09:19:26  Show Profile  Visit jezemine's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by spirit1
MS can't be really concerned about competition, can it?



what makes you think sql server isn't concerned about competition? they are very much tuned in.

why do you think sql express exists, with a free gui to boot? one reason: mysql

there are plenty of other examples of katmai features that exist only because the competition has them, but I can't tell about those. you know, nda stuff.


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spirit1
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Posted - 03/28/2007 :  09:33:18  Show Profile  Visit spirit1's Homepage  Reply with Quote
i don't count mySql as competition

they do have sql express to compete with mySql, but an enterprise edition sql server doesn't have any real competition.
I don't count Oracle here because in my opinion they cover different scenarios.
If you want a really high transaction high impact, high availabilty etc you still go for oracle.
Sql server mostly covers smaller things than that.
I'm not saying it couldn't but it's not.

I am wondering when will sql server upgrade it's indexing capabilities to something more than B-Trees?
it seems it's getting kind of behind oracle in this area.

Jesse, are you an MVP too?

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jezemine
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Posted - 03/28/2007 :  09:50:45  Show Profile  Visit jezemine's Homepage  Reply with Quote
hah! no. I worked on sql server for a while though.


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spirit1
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Posted - 03/28/2007 :  09:52:04  Show Profile  Visit spirit1's Homepage  Reply with Quote
really? which part? or is that under NDA too?

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jezemine
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Posted - 03/28/2007 :  10:07:16  Show Profile  Visit jezemine's Homepage  Reply with Quote
on the tools team. sadly at the time I joined we were heads down in bug fixing mode so i didn't get to leave much of a mark in terms of new code. i fixed hundreds of bugs in SMO, SSMS, Agent, etc. still it was great fun to work on sql server - i also agree that yukon is a great product . I left ms after yukon shipped for a much smaller company.

about competition: i can tell you that sql server certainly considers oracle and mysql as worthy competitors, even if you don't. SQL Server is aggressively going after the enterprise market that oracle has dominated in the past, and succeeding to some extent. oracle continues to lose market share. imo, it's mostly a matter of perception - there's a perception out there that sql server isn't good for big, mission critical applications. I disagree with that perception. DBAs can be pretty stubborn, especially oracle DBAs since they make more $$$.


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spirit1
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Posted - 03/28/2007 :  10:11:43  Show Profile  Visit spirit1's Homepage  Reply with Quote
oh i'm not saying that sql can't compete. i truly believe it can. i just think it needs some time
for the real perception penetration on the oracle end.

I'd really kick the SSMS team in the behind, because of it's extensiblity. It's a real PITA
But once you get to understand it, it's pretty simple.
and add-ins make life easier

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Edited by - spirit1 on 03/28/2007 10:13:25
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jezemine
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Posted - 03/28/2007 :  10:25:16  Show Profile  Visit jezemine's Homepage  Reply with Quote
funny that you mention extensibilty. just before I left ms I was working on an extensibility model for SSMS. then I went on paternity leave (daughter is almost 2 now!). when I came back I found out the project was cut, and my buddy that was working on it with me had left the group for another team at ms! I was recruited away about a month later.

so I guess you can blame my 2 year old daughter for the lack of a good extensibility model in SSMS.

seriously, ssms is really just the vs shell, so it's extensible if you work hard enough. it's just not supported. you have to do a little hacking. check this out: http://www.codeproject.com/useritems/enisey.asp - I think this guy must have made heavy use of reflector.exe ;)




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