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X002548
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Posted - 2007-03-27 : 12:51:30
Huh? Is this true, they're already creating a new verasion?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_SQL_Server

http://www.crn.com/storage/170702999

http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=217

Anyone know anything about this?




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X002548
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Posted - 2007-03-27 : 12:54:45
Ahhh..after poking around

http://www.microsoft.com/systemcenter/opsmgr/default.mspx



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dinakar
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Posted - 2007-03-27 : 12:55:58
Yes there was a lot of Katmai talk at the summit. Not sure how much of it we are allowed to talk about since the entire conference was under NDA.

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nr
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Posted - 2007-03-27 : 13:00:03
>> Not sure how much of it we are allowed to talk about
Safest not to say anything - even to confirm the surprising amount of info that people seem to have.


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X002548
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Posted - 2007-03-27 : 13:06:54
Really...then what's with M$ web site?



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jezemine
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Posted - 2007-03-27 : 13:24:13
there's always another version, what's so surprising about it?

planning for the next version generally starts before the current one ships, so katmai has been in the works for years really.


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SwePeso
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Posted - 2007-03-27 : 13:30:52
I found this.[quote]

Starfighter Enterprise Manager 6.0
SQL95 SQL-Server 6.0 6.0
Hydra SQL-Server 6.5 6.5
Sphinx SQL-Server 7.0 7.0
Shiloh SQL-Server 2000 8.0
Yukon SQL Server 2005 9.0
Liberty 64Bit SQL-Server 2000 8.0
Acadia Next SQL Server? 10.0
Rosetta SQL Reporting Services
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mcrowley
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Posted - 2007-03-27 : 13:43:33
Well, considering that SP2 has just come out, and (even more shockingly) even the company I work for is taking its first tentative steps towards 2005, it is probably about time for information to start coming out. I was betting on a release in 2008, myself.

That quote does explain the easter egg in the 6.5 Enterprise Manager, though. I do have to admit, I kinda miss the traffic light motif ;-).
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graz
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Posted - 2007-03-27 : 16:13:36
quote:
Originally posted by X002548

Huh? Is this true, they're already creating a new verasion?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_SQL_Server

http://www.crn.com/storage/170702999

http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=217

Anyone know anything about this?




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Nearly everything from those articles they've discussed publicly before. Paul Flessner talked about the overall goals of the product in his PASS keynote in Seattle.

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graz
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Posted - 2007-03-27 : 16:15:10
I'm also pretty sure the Acadia code name was retired/replaced by Katmai. Acadia still may be used for something but I haven't heard it referenced anywhere.

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jezemine
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Posted - 2007-03-27 : 19:47:37
That's correct. Acadia was retired as a codename because Yukon dragged on for so long. if something wasn't going to get done for yukon, the saying was "push it to acadia". this went on for 5 years. once yukon finally did ship, it was felt that Acadia had too much of a stigma attached to it. People thought of it as a big bucket of bugs and features that got pushed off.

so they decided to start with a fresh, clean, spiffy new national park name: Katmai.


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spirit1
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Posted - 2007-03-28 : 04:59:05
this is based completly on my feeling but
if you ask me ss2k5 is a great product but i think that it will be one of those hop over products.
people will go from ss2k to katmai sp1. maybe that's because ss2k proved to be pretty solid server

i don't understand though... why would an MVP summit be under NDA?
so you're discussing new tech? so what? MS can't be really concerned about competition, can it?





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SwePeso
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30421 Posts

Posted - 2007-03-28 : 05:39:46
One of the things I want most for next service pack for SQL Server is:

SUM(i) OVER (PARTITION BY Col1 ORDER BY Col2)

Not just SUM, but any aggregate function.


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nr
SQLTeam MVY

12543 Posts

Posted - 2007-03-28 : 07:34:22
quote:
Originally posted by spirit1


i don't understand though... why would an MVP summit be under NDA?
so you're discussing new tech? so what? MS can't be really concerned about competition, can it?



I think it's more to do with managing expectations.
A lot of things talked about are under development and may be dropped from the product if they look like they might impact the release date.
They want an opinion on the usability of proposed functionality from a closed community before a public announcement and how the public might react.

Think the main reason though is so that they can talk freely without being worried about saying something that may be incorrect - bit like the difference between talking to your team and talking to the board or investors.

Or it could all just be a public relations exercise.

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jezemine
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Posted - 2007-03-28 : 09:19:26
quote:
Originally posted by spirit1
MS can't be really concerned about competition, can it?



what makes you think sql server isn't concerned about competition? they are very much tuned in.

why do you think sql express exists, with a free gui to boot? one reason: mysql

there are plenty of other examples of katmai features that exist only because the competition has them, but I can't tell about those. you know, nda stuff.


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spirit1
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Posted - 2007-03-28 : 09:33:18
i don't count mySql as competition

they do have sql express to compete with mySql, but an enterprise edition sql server doesn't have any real competition.
I don't count Oracle here because in my opinion they cover different scenarios.
If you want a really high transaction high impact, high availabilty etc you still go for oracle.
Sql server mostly covers smaller things than that.
I'm not saying it couldn't but it's not.

I am wondering when will sql server upgrade it's indexing capabilities to something more than B-Trees?
it seems it's getting kind of behind oracle in this area.

Jesse, are you an MVP too?

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jezemine
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Posted - 2007-03-28 : 09:50:45
hah! no. I worked on sql server for a while though.


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spirit1
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Posted - 2007-03-28 : 09:52:04
really? which part? or is that under NDA too?

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jezemine
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Posted - 2007-03-28 : 10:07:16
on the tools team. sadly at the time I joined we were heads down in bug fixing mode so i didn't get to leave much of a mark in terms of new code. i fixed hundreds of bugs in SMO, SSMS, Agent, etc. still it was great fun to work on sql server - i also agree that yukon is a great product . I left ms after yukon shipped for a much smaller company.

about competition: i can tell you that sql server certainly considers oracle and mysql as worthy competitors, even if you don't. SQL Server is aggressively going after the enterprise market that oracle has dominated in the past, and succeeding to some extent. oracle continues to lose market share. imo, it's mostly a matter of perception - there's a perception out there that sql server isn't good for big, mission critical applications. I disagree with that perception. DBAs can be pretty stubborn, especially oracle DBAs since they make more $$$.


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spirit1
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Posted - 2007-03-28 : 10:11:43
oh i'm not saying that sql can't compete. i truly believe it can. i just think it needs some time
for the real perception penetration on the oracle end.

I'd really kick the SSMS team in the behind, because of it's extensiblity. It's a real PITA
But once you get to understand it, it's pretty simple.
and add-ins make life easier

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jezemine
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Posted - 2007-03-28 : 10:25:16
funny that you mention extensibilty. just before I left ms I was working on an extensibility model for SSMS. then I went on paternity leave (daughter is almost 2 now!). when I came back I found out the project was cut, and my buddy that was working on it with me had left the group for another team at ms! I was recruited away about a month later.

so I guess you can blame my 2 year old daughter for the lack of a good extensibility model in SSMS.

seriously, ssms is really just the vs shell, so it's extensible if you work hard enough. it's just not supported. you have to do a little hacking. check this out: http://www.codeproject.com/useritems/enisey.asp - I think this guy must have made heavy use of reflector.exe ;)




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