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jhermiz
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Posted - 12/14/2007 :  10:19:46  Show Profile  Visit jhermiz's Homepage  Reply with Quote
The time has come for me to ask for a raise. I'm tired of being shafted. I did my research and have a pretty good idea of how to present it. My issue is...how to ask for the actual amount in terms of dollars or percentages?

If I ask for a percentage I cant make that number too high...and that percentage amounts to very little dollars. If I ask for a dollar amount I have this feeling that it will back fire me because in reality the dollar amount is pretty high when you look at it as a percentage.

Do you guys go in there and say look I need X amount, or do you say I'd like Y percentage? Strange how something as simple as this can be so complicated :(.

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Michael Valentine Jones
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Posted - 12/14/2007 :  10:37:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Come up with the dollar number you want and present it to them.

Have a plan for what you will do if they say no, counter with a lower number, or ask you to give them a lower number.




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spirit1
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Posted - 12/14/2007 :  10:50:35  Show Profile  Visit spirit1's Homepage  Reply with Quote
come on jon.. you're overpaid as it is

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jhermiz
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Posted - 12/14/2007 :  12:48:13  Show Profile  Visit jhermiz's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by spirit1

come on jon.. you're overpaid as it is

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Cost of living is going up :-p

MVJ so you usually stick with a number..great..I was at first thinking a number..then I went back to a percentage, and now im thinking number would be better.

Thanks


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tkizer
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Posted - 12/14/2007 :  14:06:59  Show Profile  Visit tkizer's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Number definitely. They can do the math to figure out the percentage.

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RickD
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Posted - 12/18/2007 :  05:54:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Look to see what the job market is like first.

Its so much easier being a contractor, if you want to get paid more, you find another job.
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blindman
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Posted - 12/18/2007 :  10:02:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by tkizer

They can do the math to figure out the percentage.

You'd be surprised......

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Zoroaster
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USA
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Posted - 12/18/2007 :  14:51:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My suggestions ( I have increased my salary 300% in 5 years through promotions and raises - and I'm not done yet):

1) As Rick D said, check the job market first, ideally have other options, there is no better collateral.
2) Present the actual figure you want and pick a number higher than what you want but still reasonable for what you do. I wouldn't ask for X amount more but the actual end figure.
3) Have supporting reasons, be very positive about the company and your desire to continue contributing to the companies goals.
4) Best time to ask is 2nd fiscal quarter, best day is Thursday.
5) Be willing to negotiate.
6) Always press for a hard date for a follow-up.




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jsmith8858
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Posted - 12/18/2007 :  15:39:11  Show Profile  Visit jsmith8858's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:

4) Best time to ask is 2nd fiscal quarter, best day is Thursday.



really?

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spirit1
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Posted - 12/18/2007 :  15:40:04  Show Profile  Visit spirit1's Homepage  Reply with Quote
i was wondering about how you'd come up with that too???

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RyanAustin
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Canada
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Posted - 12/18/2007 :  18:06:06  Show Profile  Click to see RyanAustin's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Is that the same theory that should be used when taking a sick day?? Like you never call in sick on a payday, but can get away with it if its the second last Thursday of a month??
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elwoos
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 12/21/2007 :  07:59:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Think of a number, add tax, then add 15% - that's what you ask for and if you get your original number as your payrise you are happy

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jaybee
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Posted - 12/21/2007 :  11:51:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jhermiz

The time has come for me to ask for a raise. I'm tired of being shafted. I did my research and have a pretty good idea of how to present it. My issue is...how to ask for the actual amount in terms of dollars or percentages?

If I ask for a percentage I cant make that number too high...and that percentage amounts to very little dollars. If I ask for a dollar amount I have this feeling that it will back fire mebecause in reality the dollar amount is pretty high when you look at it as a percentage.

Do you guys go in there and say look I need X amount, or do you say I'd like Y percentage? Strange how something as simple as this can be so complicated :(.

Weblog -- http://weblogs.sqlteam.com/jhermiz



Mate, you're being far too soft about this. Your should treat your career as your business, with you as the Chairman. How many years of experience do you have in SQL Server?

Get them to pay you a rate commensurate with your standing in the market, or tell them to shove their job.

The week before last, our Head of Data Operations - a little runt who doesn't know a .bak file from a .dbf - rudely shouted across the office, "Jaybee, do you want to extend your contract another 6 months?" Caught me off guard, took me 5 seconds to reply,

"It'll cost you another 15%".

Stunned silence from the so-called 'permanent' staff. Boss turns 180 and marches back into his room without a word. Took another 20 seconds or so for the decibel level to normalise.

It was signed off on Monday, with effect from the 3rd of Jan. Notice period changed to 2 months from 1.

Bear something else in mind, too - when you do NOT demand what you're worth, you spoil things for your fellow DBA's too. Even though we're in different countries (as evinced by your pay in Dollars), our economies are interconnected.

You worked damn hard to get to be a DBA - so realise your worth.
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Zoroaster
Aged Yak Warrior

USA
702 Posts

Posted - 12/22/2007 :  01:37:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jsmith8858

quote:

4) Best time to ask is 2nd fiscal quarter, best day is Thursday.



really?

- Jeff
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I read the specific day a while back in a magazine, the reasoning was that early in the week your manager is likely to be stressing about the rest of the week, Friday's either they will be in a rush to get things done before the weekend or they will be checked out. Setting a Wed or Thur appointment is the best bet. The time of year is something I picked up over the years in management, 2nd quarter is usually when a company is most able to part with money with less chance of budget freezes and corner cutting taking place then other times of year.




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jezemine
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Posted - 12/22/2007 :  11:26:40  Show Profile  Visit jezemine's Homepage  Reply with Quote
300% in 5 years. do you work in the medical insurance industry?




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